Delivered-To: cgu@qos.ch
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:54:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Court Demas <courtdemas@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: court@acm.org
Subject: Re: please adopt log4j in jdk1.4
To: Graham Hamilton <kgh@eng.sun.com>
Cc: cgu@qos.ch

I appreciate all of the effort you've put in on this JSR.  However, I'm
sure if you take a step back you will agree with the severity of its
problems.

I think most importantly is that it requires the JDK 1.4.  This is absurd!
 I can't imagine what the JDK1.3 (let alone 1.1) is missing as far as
handling logging statements.

There's a lot of 1.1 development still going on.  I don't suggest we
cripple new APIs to support it, but you might as well be compatible if
possible!

thanks,
court

--- Graham Hamilton <kgh@eng.sun.com> wrote:
> Court,
>
> Thanks for your interest in the logging APIs.
>
> As Ceki noted, IBM has been a very active participant in the
> JSR-047 logging JSR.  When the logging JSR was initiated in
> January 2000, IBM had both the log4j work at IBM research and
> the JLog work at IBM Tivoli.  The Tivoli work built on IBM's
> earlier product logging experience and included features like
> internationalization that were then not present in log4j.
> IBM's involvement in JSR-047 was focused on their JLog
> experience which had seen a lot of use in IBM products.
>
> However, Ceki also provided useful input from log4j, and that
> has influenced some parts of the logging APIs.
>
> In designing the APIs we've tried to draw from numerous
> sources and we've tried to support a wide set of requirements.
> It's inevitable that when there is a new standardization
> effort it will make some different choices from some of
> the existing APIs.  We went through a similar experience
> with JDBC.  It build on a bunch of earlier work, but it
> wasn't exactly like any of them.  Unfortunately we delayed
> adding a JDK logging API for too long, and I think it
> is important that we resolve that in Merlin.
>
> Unfortunately we are quite late in the Merlin cycle and
> we can't really accommodate major API changes at this point.
> However, I will be studying Ceki's comments carefully.
>
>                                                thanks
>                                              - Graham
>
>
>
> Court Demas wrote:
> >
> > I urge you to consider this document:
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique.html
> >
> > It is a critique of the JSR47 logging system, to be included in the
> JDK
> > 1.4.  I agree with the author that the log4j api should be adopted
> > instead.
> >
> > court
> >
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